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Skogen Gump Jericho Fraction	Posted - 2008.10.14 08:33:00 - [1] Apart from all these quitters (who ostensibly don't play anyway ?) how is this change going to effect me/my alliance/the rest of eve ? Will this cause less lag, stopping all this Database activity ? Basically, will this have a knock on effect that helps those of us who still choose to be here , paying to play ? If not, please CCP consider the alienation you're causing ... there are bigger and better things to be fixing that impact on the gameplay of the many thousands of accounts that do log in every day!
Skogen Gump Jericho Fraction	Posted - 2008.10.14 08:52:00 - [2] Originally by: rens research IT IS NOT A BUG CCP even sell it as a feature of the game as per the players guide It may just be that it wasn't enough of a bug to just not be fixed at first, so they said it was a feature - like Jet can Mining and the other things that have happened in Eves time. It does sound like its just hit critical mass now. That said, I'm only for this change if it benefits my gameplay somehow. I'm a developer in real life and I know well enough that you shouldn't change stuff just for the hell of it. That way, bugs lays!
Skogen Gump Jericho Fraction	Posted - 2008.10.14 09:01:00 - [3] Originally by: rens research I for one have now cancelled 6 paid accounts based, not on the ghost training coming in, but CCP lieing through their teeth Post their names or it didn't happen ;)
Skogen Gump Jericho Fraction	Posted - 2008.10.14 09:44:00 - [4] Originally by: Midas Man all your doing at the moment is going round hitting all your paying customer with a nerf bat. It certainly doesn't cause me any problems at all so it's not 'all your paying customer' [sic]. As I've said, my only concern is that it's a change for changes sake and as someone else has pointed out, this has a chance to work out to less income for CCP. After all, if an account is being ghost-trained for a while, it's very likely that it will be resubbed to put something in the queue. If people could be less inflammatory and more constructive, we've a better chance of CCP listening to us.
Skogen Gump Jericho Fraction	Posted - 2008.10.14 10:28:00 - [5] Originally by: OneSock Just One of the many things that attracts me to EVE is the mature playerbase, thanks for re-affirming my faith! But on a serious note, if you were reading threads here, sure it's clear that a lot of people are unhappy (to put it bluntly) but would you be more willing to concede to 46 pages of people calling you names, or to 46 pages of people pointing out why it's a bad idea, likely to hit CCP in the wallet ? If CCP have a good reason to enforce this change, that has a noticeable effect on the subscribing players then I support it; but if not - please reconsider it CCP! At least, consider giving the players a reason to maintain subscriptions - letting more then one 'toon train on an account (like most every other MMO!) would be very welcome! (yeah, I realise I'm being hopelessly optimistic, it seems that the only group that gets answered nowadays are the ones that complain the most)
Skogen Gump Jericho Fraction	Posted - 2008.10.14 11:47:00 - [6] I wonder, would CCP be willing to come to a compromise. If one account is being actively subscribed, would training be allowed to continue on the 'ghost' accounts held by that same subscriber ? I bet this would surely this would meet the situation of the players who use Ghost training, especially in light of the recent credit crunch; and it would ensure that CCP get the one thing they need, money! The only people negatively effected would be those who dont play want to play at all for a month or so at a time, but still expect their toons to be levelled as if they did. Sorry if this sounds harsh, but that doesn't really bother me!
Skogen Gump Jericho Fraction	Posted - 2008.10.14 12:26:00 - [7] Originally by: chotaire We are obviously being fooled, database programmers speak out loud! Well, unless you know their Schema, you don't know anything about what it actually takes to implement this, so your post is unfounded. And yes, I am a database developer amongst other things.
Skogen Gump Jericho Fraction	Posted - 2008.10.14 22:42:00 - [8] I asked this before, but it got lost in the drama: CCP said that they need to affect this change to help DB issues, fair enough - I'll concede that they have stable finances as they've said as much this week, being that their income is in euros and dollars (as long as their bank is too...), so let's think of an alternative that will reduce some DB pressure and improve financial situations for CCP by mandating a provision for ghost training (never a bad thing!) So, considering the outcry, Will CCP consider a tradeoff ? Let Ghost Training happen for accounts that are attached to an account that has an active subscription ? So if I play my main character and want to let 2 alts lapse and learn Battleship 5 for instance, as I'm paying for my main and those 2 other characters are on the same credit card - could they be left alone to train ? I know it's not ideal for CCP, but as they're being trained they will be used, and if they're being trained they must have been paid for to set the skill going, they will be paid for again to get the next skills progressing or to be actually used ... (even if you stipulate that such characters cannot be transfered, to stop character farmers) Is this such a bad compromise - CCP gets some Win, the players who Ghost for good reasons get what they want too.
Skogen Gump Jericho Fraction	Posted - 2008.10.15 11:26:00 - [9] Edited by: Skogen Gump on 15/10/2008 11:27:14 Originally by: Clansworth "bettering" your character IS the game, else go to a chat room and play D&D. I'm not sure what game you're playing, but it doesn't sound like fun to me. Flying around in a space ship and interacting with other players IS this game, sitting around expecting your character to get skills, without the small inconvenience of paying for it is most assuredly not! Now, I'm as dismayed at the lack of Community relationship shown by this change as everyone else, but I have to say, I support the change. That said, considering the outcry, I really believe CCP should reach a compromise. My suggestion is that they consider allowing ghost training for accounts that are linked to at least one active subscription. Edit: Fixed quote.
Skogen Gump Jericho Fraction	Posted - 2008.10.15 11:47:00 - [10] Originally by: Azuraito If i was injured in the hospital, that last thing on my mind would be skill training in eve roflol Where do they come up with these Maybe he could claim on Medical insurance for Skill Training loss O-o /facepalm

Skogen Gump Jericho Fraction	Posted - 2008.10.15 12:09:00 - [11] Originally by: Masazak I do not specialise my character and can do a lot of things so I can try different things, but waiting a few months for the skills to do something then finding it is not something I liked is annoying. Seriously, you're telling me that you don't like waiting for skills so you actually plan to set a skill and then stop paying for a while, in the knowledge that when you come back, you'll have progressed without having to pay or make any effort ? You are the exact reason why CCP is doing this. Disgusted.
Skogen Gump Jericho Fraction	Posted - 2008.10.15 12:15:00 - [12] Originally by: Manni Delo What does it matter anyway, 200 other people have said the same thing, and by the looks of it CCP doesn't listen to a single word their PAYING audience says. 200 people is a tiny fraction of the Subscriber base. Neither you nor I speak for them all.
Skogen Gump Jericho Fraction	Posted - 2008.10.15 12:25:00 - [13] Originally by: DjLowballer Could someone explain to me why they are so angry? Just pay for your extra accounts. This idea of entitlement that you should be able to progress in the game without paying makes no sense what so ever. Really, EvE players are supposed to be on the smarter side of the MMO spectrum but some of the replies here are just ignorant. There are two big flames going off here, One group of people are just angry that they are now forced to pay to level up. Whodathunkit? The other group have (IMO) a more legitimate problem, which is the the way this change has been dropped on us, 2 days notice of a massive change to some peoples playing style and a certain amount of controversy over what was either a bug or a feature and how CCP are (allegedly) playing down the fact that they themselves mentioned this 'bug' as an apparent advantage of playing EVE. I personally suspect that they always meant that you didn't need to be online to train, not that you didn't need to pay for your subscription to train - lets face it, that's not a USP, that's a stupid business decision!
Skogen Gump Jericho Fraction	Posted - 2008.10.15 13:32:00 - [14] Originally by: SZ Rota Stuff Sorry your analogy to a car with 2 wheels doesn't work. You're saying this because other MMOs let you level up different characters on the same account, which EVE doesn't let you do - so If I read your post correctly you're saying its fine to have other accounts which you don't pay for as they get around the 1 character training mechanic ? (which btw sounds like you're trying to work around something that the Devs don't want you to do, or exploit the game ...) But back to the comparison, do those other MMOs let you play those characters that you've skilled on one account, at the same time ? I'll bet they don't and I know for a fact they don't in most of the popular MMOs at the moment, Wow, WAR, Lotro. EVE does, so you should pay for them to level.
Skogen Gump Jericho Fraction	Posted - 2008.10.15 13:40:00 - [15] Originally by: Virgo I'Platonicus Hope I misunderstood you. You're saying at the end that you can play 1 EVE account with 2 clients and 2 characters simultanously. Eve does not allow that. V. Indeed, I was saying that whilst other MMOs let you level multiple toons on one account, EVE doesn't but you can dual box with multiple accounts, so the difference isn't comparable to other MMOs or this 'industry standard' that he quoted.

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